Comments on: A Response to What? http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/ Christian Agrarian Counterculture Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:01:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Colin http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/#comment-5164 Colin Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:17:59 +0000 http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/#comment-5164 Living on the fringe brings one into contact with so many past fringe dwellers. It seems that they come in waves. Most of the ' agrarians' in our locality are pagans, and they have been here for ages. Leaving the city has been going on for years indeed millenia perhaps. I think what may be unique is that it is the builders who are leaving this time. Fleeing material excess and moral egress to find freedom from the tyranny of both will be the natural response of anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear., and that freedom brings us into contact with those from the past who fled us or rather who they thought us to be. Strange days indeed when the church up the road talks of the world and the neighbour down the road talks of the moon. Supernatural [spirit] and natural have been with us since God breathed on us . We are now moving into the realms of the unnatural, devoid of spirit and those realms have never been encountered before. Our reaction to the unnatural[ motivated as it is by the spirit] is therefore the most natural thing in the world. Colin Living on the fringe brings one into contact with so many past fringe dwellers. It seems that they come in waves. Most of the ‘ agrarians’ in our locality are pagans, and they have been here for ages. Leaving the city has been going on for years indeed millenia perhaps. I think what may be unique is that it is the builders who are leaving this time. Fleeing material excess and moral egress to find freedom from the tyranny of both will be the natural response of anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear., and that freedom brings us into contact with those from the past who fled us or rather who they thought us to be. Strange days indeed when the church up the road talks of the world and the neighbour down the road talks of the moon.
Supernatural [spirit] and natural have been with us since God breathed on us . We are now moving into the realms of the unnatural, devoid of spirit and those realms have never been encountered before. Our reaction to the unnatural[ motivated as it is by the spirit] is therefore the most natural thing in the world.
Colin

]]> By: Scott Terry http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/#comment-5024 Scott Terry Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:23:23 +0000 http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/#comment-5024 Hi Brian That is certianly part of it, brother. It is quite amazing and encouraging to see how many of God's people are starting down this path. When the colapse of the hyper-consumer pagan economy finaly happens, we will be in a very good position to rebuild much of what has been lost. We will also be in a good position to show christian love and charity to those who are suffering. Now thats something to think about. As we struggle to learn how to feed and cloth ouselves in a sustainable fashion, we also must think of how we are going to react to our starving brothers who are still "betting the farm" on the risky game of fiat money and easy credit. Something to think about. Someday, a lot of "long lost realitives and friends" are going to show up wanting help and refuge from the farm. Yes, the same folks who make fun of us now are going to need our compasion in the future. Hi Brian

That is certianly part of it, brother. It is quite amazing and encouraging to see how many of God’s people are starting down this path. When the colapse of the hyper-consumer pagan economy finaly happens, we will be in a very good position to rebuild much of what has been lost. We will also be in a good position to show christian love and charity to those who are suffering. Now thats something to think about. As we struggle to learn how to feed and cloth ouselves in a sustainable fashion, we also must think of how we are going to react to our starving brothers who are still “betting the farm” on the risky game of fiat money and easy credit. Something to think about. Someday, a lot of “long lost realitives and friends” are going to show up wanting help and refuge from the farm. Yes, the same folks who make fun of us now are going to need our compasion in the future.

]]> By: Brian http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/#comment-4995 Brian Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:17:13 +0000 http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/#comment-4995 Scott; This has been an interesting thread. Getting back to your original post, maybe the Christian Agrarian movement can be the re-seeding of this country that is necessary to produce new and fruitful families. Hopefully, by their example others in the suburbs, and maybe someday the cities, will see the need to be good stewards of the land and live with Christian fellowship, and they will in turn live in a harmonious way. With God all things are possible. Scott;

This has been an interesting thread. Getting back to your original post, maybe the Christian Agrarian movement can be the re-seeding of this country that is necessary to produce new and fruitful families. Hopefully, by their example others in the suburbs, and maybe someday the cities, will see the need to be good stewards of the land and live with Christian fellowship, and they will in turn live in a harmonious way. With God all things are possible.

]]> By: Scott Terry http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/#comment-4994 Scott Terry Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:49:50 +0000 http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/#comment-4994 Hi Ben I'm not advocating any kind of retreatism, as a biblical postmilenianalist I'm very much about subdueing the earth and replenishing it. We are most certainly called to cloth the poor and feed the hungry, and truth is the church as whole hasn't been downing that. They have been to caught up in mammon worship and materialism to bother with Christ's commands to be a light to the world and a godly example to the lost. The fact that most of us are pleasantly suprised when aren't "screwed and cheated" by christian businessmen is a fine example. I also agree that limited Localized republican government is very much needed. Hi Steve "You can see much of the same thing with the embracing of government by many of the top evangelicals" Oh man, don't get me started on that :) American evanjellyfish seem to have sold their souls to the neocons. I don't think most of them realize what they done, but it its not an exuse. We live in a world turned upside down. What are known as "christian conservative" political veiws are not Christian nor conservative. Hi Ben

I’m not advocating any kind of retreatism, as a biblical postmilenianalist I’m very much about subdueing the earth and replenishing it. We are most certainly called to cloth the poor and feed the hungry, and truth is the church as whole hasn’t been downing that. They have been to caught up in mammon worship and materialism to bother with Christ’s commands to be a light to the world and a godly example to the lost. The fact that most of us are pleasantly suprised when aren’t “screwed and cheated” by christian businessmen is a fine example. I also agree that limited Localized republican government is very much needed.

Hi Steve

“You can see much of the same thing with the embracing of government by many of the top evangelicals”

Oh man, don’t get me started on that :) American evanjellyfish seem to have sold their souls to the neocons. I don’t think most of them realize what they done, but it its not an exuse. We live in a world turned upside down. What are known as “christian conservative” political veiws are not Christian nor conservative.

]]> By: Steve http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/#comment-4993 Steve Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:01:29 +0000 http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/#comment-4993 You can see much of the same thing with the embracing of government by many of the top evangelicals. Roberts and Dobson come to mind first. They seem to think that "Christians" can ride the dragon of government better than the secularist. The truth is that no one can ride the dragon for good. The dragon must be cut up into pieces and returned to the states. You can see much of the same thing with the embracing of government by many of the top evangelicals. Roberts and Dobson come to mind first. They seem to think that “Christians” can ride the dragon of government better than the secularist. The truth is that no one can ride the dragon for good. The dragon must be cut up into pieces and returned to the states.

]]> By: Ben http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/#comment-4989 Ben Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:22:46 +0000 http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/#comment-4989 Thanks for your reply. There is a dichotomy concerning Christianity, we are expected to live together, but yet live the faith, and this is tough sometimes. But we have to be careful that we don’t reject the world too much, as I think many in the Amish community have. Christ said that we must cloth the poor, feed the hungry, visit the imprisoned. If we turn our backs on the world then we run the risk of turning our back on Christ. But I do understand that Christian churches have become too imbedded with the secular world. But I wonder if is the not the result of American way of life that has resulted from our march toward centralization and big government. Prior to the 20th Century this didn’t really happen (I would refer you to Alexis DeTocqueville's DEMOCRACY IN AMERICA as good example of faith based community life in America). But after much of the wave of “populism” in this country, I simply call it socialism, folks, to include the churches, turned to government to provide the assistance that Christ called us to. Scott, my belief is that we can only return to a more faith centered life when the citizens, especially all faiths, turn away from centralized government and return to the limited republican form we had prior to the 1900s. Thanks for your reply. There is a dichotomy concerning Christianity, we are expected to live together, but yet live the faith, and this is tough sometimes. But we have to be careful that we don’t reject the world too much, as I think many in the Amish community have. Christ said that we must cloth the poor, feed the hungry, visit the imprisoned. If we turn our backs on the world then we run the risk of turning our back on Christ.

But I do understand that Christian churches have become too imbedded with the secular world. But I wonder if is the not the result of American way of life that has resulted from our march toward centralization and big government. Prior to the 20th Century this didn’t really happen (I would refer you to Alexis DeTocqueville’s DEMOCRACY IN AMERICA as good example of faith based community life in America). But after much of the wave of “populism” in this country, I simply call it socialism, folks, to include the churches, turned to government to provide the assistance that Christ called us to.

Scott, my belief is that we can only return to a more faith centered life when the citizens, especially all faiths, turn away from centralized government and return to the limited republican form we had prior to the 1900s.

]]> By: Scott Terry http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/#comment-4967 Scott Terry Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:35:35 +0000 http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/#comment-4967 The Church catholic (in this case I refer to the visible church here on earth, in all its sects and traditions, from baptist to reformed to roman to the "no creed but Jesus types") is not at all conserned with obeying God's word. They are.....well.....playing the whore to pagan culture. Just like the OT children of Israel, the church is chasing after idols and false gods. They try to "christianize" all sorts of wickedness instead of leaving it behind. The Church catholic (in this case I refer to the visible church here on earth, in all its sects and traditions, from baptist to reformed to roman to the “no creed but Jesus types”) is not at all conserned with obeying God’s word. They are…..well…..playing the whore to pagan culture. Just like the OT children of Israel, the church is chasing after idols and false gods. They try to “christianize” all sorts of wickedness instead of leaving it behind.

]]> By: Ben http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/#comment-4965 Ben Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:06:37 +0000 http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/#comment-4965 Could you explain this in greater detail: "I think that the Christian Agrarian “movement” is more of a responce to the Church catholic playing harlot to the world." I have no idea what you are talking about. Could you explain this in greater detail:

“I think that the Christian Agrarian “movement” is more of a responce to the Church catholic playing harlot to the world.”

I have no idea what you are talking about.

]]> By: JFC http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/#comment-4957 JFC Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:14:44 +0000 http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/#comment-4957 There <i>is</i> an antithesis between God and mammon, and our actions <i>could</i> be called a '<b>RE</b>sponse' or a '<b>RE</b>action." But I do like Tom's words better: '<b>RE</b>pentance and <b>RE</b>formation." There is an antithesis between God and mammon, and our actions could be called a ‘REsponse’ or a ‘REaction.” But I do like Tom’s words better: ‘REpentance and REformation.”

]]> By: Scott Terry http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/#comment-4952 Scott Terry Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:59:34 +0000 http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2007/09/19/a-responce-to-what/#comment-4952 Yes, the Missouri Rev has a gift for eloquence. I wholeheartedly agree! I guess the fact that I tried to answer the question in those terms, means that I played right into our critics hand. The lines get kind of blured becouse we do spend a lot of time defending the biblical position against a lot of worldly positions. If we are not carefull, we can begin to look at agrarianism in an abstract way and forget why it is we are doing what we are doing. The funny thing is, I've warned of others of this right here on my blog and then turn around and do it myself. Take economics for example. Those who call themselves the Christian agrarians say that bible teaches us how we are to act "economicly". It is capitalism, socialism, facism, ect that are reacting negatively toward God's economic plan. They can "do it better", so they think. Yes, the Missouri Rev has a gift for eloquence. I wholeheartedly agree!

I guess the fact that I tried to answer the question in those terms, means that I played right into our critics hand. The lines get kind of blured becouse we do spend a lot of time defending the biblical position against a lot of worldly positions. If we are not carefull, we can begin to look at agrarianism in an abstract way and forget why it is we are doing what we are doing. The funny thing is, I’ve warned of others of this right here on my blog and then turn around and do it myself. Take economics for example. Those who call themselves the Christian agrarians say that bible teaches us how we are to act “economicly”. It is capitalism, socialism, facism, ect that are reacting negatively toward God’s economic plan. They can “do it better”, so they think.

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