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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/12/20/agrarians-and-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-720</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Patty,

Thanks for stopping by, nice to have another reader from the lone star state!

Walter

A Merry Christmas to you a day late!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Patty,</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by, nice to have another reader from the lone star state!</p>
<p>Walter</p>
<p>A Merry Christmas to you a day late!</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Jeffries</title>
		<link>http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/12/20/agrarians-and-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-719</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter Jeffries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2005 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merry Christmas, Scott!

-Walter
Sugar Mountain Farm
in Vermont</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merry Christmas, Scott!</p>
<p>-Walter<br />
Sugar Mountain Farm<br />
in Vermont</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
		<link>http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/12/20/agrarians-and-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-718</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2005 01:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog !  We are homesteaders in Texas and live a pretty simple life and love reading what other homesteaders are doing.
http://morningramble.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog !  We are homesteaders in Texas and live a pretty simple life and love reading what other homesteaders are doing.<br />
<a href="http://morningramble.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://morningramble.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/12/20/agrarians-and-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-717</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howdy all.

Yes, we do have an expert chicken pluckin' inventor in our ranks!  Herrick was a commenter here at Homesteader Life before he started his blog, yup...kinda proud of that.  

JM

I'm sure I stole the "chronological snobs" line from someone smarter than I.  I can't remeber who.

John

I was refering to a large pool of folks who have made such comments, I really didn't even remeber you saying that!  It wasn't a quick shot at ya just before you come out for your christmas visit.  We will have to talk about it though, I still think he made a rather poor refutation of Chads post.

Pastor McConnell

Thanks for the kind words, its always a thrill when when of your heroes says something nice.  I loved your post and encourage everyone to go over and read it.

Walter

I agree with your take on it as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howdy all.</p>
<p>Yes, we do have an expert chicken pluckin&#8217; inventor in our ranks!  Herrick was a commenter here at Homesteader Life before he started his blog, yup&#8230;kinda proud of that.  </p>
<p>JM</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure I stole the &#8220;chronological snobs&#8221; line from someone smarter than I.  I can&#8217;t remeber who.</p>
<p>John</p>
<p>I was refering to a large pool of folks who have made such comments, I really didn&#8217;t even remeber you saying that!  It wasn&#8217;t a quick shot at ya just before you come out for your christmas visit.  We will have to talk about it though, I still think he made a rather poor refutation of Chads post.</p>
<p>Pastor McConnell</p>
<p>Thanks for the kind words, its always a thrill when when of your heroes says something nice.  I loved your post and encourage everyone to go over and read it.</p>
<p>Walter</p>
<p>I agree with your take on it as well.</p>
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		<title>By: HomesteadHerbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>HomesteadHerbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JFC,
I had no idea we had an expert chicken plucker inventor! I'm ordering Mr. Kimball's book- let's see if 'anyone can make it' :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JFC,<br />
I had no idea we had an expert chicken plucker inventor! I&#8217;m ordering Mr. Kimball&#8217;s book- let&#8217;s see if &#8216;anyone can make it&#8217; <img src='http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: trawlerman</title>
		<link>http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/12/20/agrarians-and-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-715</link>
		<dc:creator>trawlerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this and thought that it might have been something that I said, so I went searching around, and, of course, I'm the idiot that wrote it...

&lt;a HREF="http://trawlerman.blogspot.com/2005/04/garden-city-david-hegeman-has.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Here.&lt;/A&gt;

If this is what you're referring to, then I'll defend myself briefly.

First, what I wrote was stupid, was hyperbole, and was written in the heat of the moment.

Second, I was referring to specific arguments in relation to my post and &lt;B&gt;not&lt;/B&gt; everything that you say in general.  Obviously, there has been much mutually beneficial discussion and exchange of ideas amongst us (and not a few beers tossed back as well) and I consider you a true friend (even if you can't handle wrestling a metro train underground in a large concrete jungle).  

Third, those specific thoughts had to do with the differences between the evils of industrialism, and what I feel are genuine benefits of urban life.  I was upset that you were equating the two and felt that you were representing a hyper-agrarianism that was not/is not true to what agrarianism is/should be.  

That said, I don't want to argue here, am sorry for saying something that I knew/know was misrepresentative, and I agree with your post completely, and the position you outline is my own.

After all that, you may have been referring to someone else's comment.

Anyhow, I'm still an agrarian, still love the city, and still think about comics more than I think about bovine mating practices.

-john.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this and thought that it might have been something that I said, so I went searching around, and, of course, I&#8217;m the idiot that wrote it&#8230;</p>
<p><a HREF="http://trawlerman.blogspot.com/2005/04/garden-city-david-hegeman-has.html" rel="nofollow">Here.</a></p>
<p>If this is what you&#8217;re referring to, then I&#8217;ll defend myself briefly.</p>
<p>First, what I wrote was stupid, was hyperbole, and was written in the heat of the moment.</p>
<p>Second, I was referring to specific arguments in relation to my post and <b>not</b> everything that you say in general.  Obviously, there has been much mutually beneficial discussion and exchange of ideas amongst us (and not a few beers tossed back as well) and I consider you a true friend (even if you can&#8217;t handle wrestling a metro train underground in a large concrete jungle).  </p>
<p>Third, those specific thoughts had to do with the differences between the evils of industrialism, and what I feel are genuine benefits of urban life.  I was upset that you were equating the two and felt that you were representing a hyper-agrarianism that was not/is not true to what agrarianism is/should be.  </p>
<p>That said, I don&#8217;t want to argue here, am sorry for saying something that I knew/know was misrepresentative, and I agree with your post completely, and the position you outline is my own.</p>
<p>After all that, you may have been referring to someone else&#8217;s comment.</p>
<p>Anyhow, I&#8217;m still an agrarian, still love the city, and still think about comics more than I think about bovine mating practices.</p>
<p>-john.</p>
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		<title>By: Missouri Rev</title>
		<link>http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/12/20/agrarians-and-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-714</link>
		<dc:creator>Missouri Rev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Scott, great posting!  From a biblical worldview, the answer to the technology/progress debate is summed up by one question, a question that applies to everything mankind does, without exception.  “By whom and by what standard does mankind live?  Your posting has hit on the heart of agrarianism . . . by whom and by what standard do we humans use and govern the earth and it resources?  Since the rest of my comments on this vital question turned into a lengthy diatribe, I posted them to my blog site instead.  Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Scott, great posting!  From a biblical worldview, the answer to the technology/progress debate is summed up by one question, a question that applies to everything mankind does, without exception.  “By whom and by what standard does mankind live?  Your posting has hit on the heart of agrarianism . . . by whom and by what standard do we humans use and govern the earth and it resources?  Since the rest of my comments on this vital question turned into a lengthy diatribe, I posted them to my blog site instead.  Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: JM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,

Well said.  I like your term "chronological snobs."  I'd suggest to you that this line of thinking is a product of evolution being taught in our schools.  The idea, that everything, people, machines, government, etc... just gets naturally better over time is right out of evolutionary thinking, and by the way totally against the 2nd law of thermodynamics...

Great post, and I was hoping to hear about your brother, any update?
JM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,</p>
<p>Well said.  I like your term &#8220;chronological snobs.&#8221;  I&#8217;d suggest to you that this line of thinking is a product of evolution being taught in our schools.  The idea, that everything, people, machines, government, etc&#8230; just gets naturally better over time is right out of evolutionary thinking, and by the way totally against the 2nd law of thermodynamics&#8230;</p>
<p>Great post, and I was hoping to hear about your brother, any update?<br />
JM</p>
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		<title>By: JFC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HH:

I don't know if you were aware, but the Agrarian Blogging Community's own Deliberate Agrarian, Herrick Kimball, has published a book with detailed plans for constructing a low-cost chicken plucker.  &lt;a HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/whizbangchickenpluckers/" rel="nofollow"&gt;This Yahoo group&lt;/A&gt; is dedicated to discussion of the Whizbang Plucker and related things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HH:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you were aware, but the Agrarian Blogging Community&#8217;s own Deliberate Agrarian, Herrick Kimball, has published a book with detailed plans for constructing a low-cost chicken plucker.  <a HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/whizbangchickenpluckers/" rel="nofollow">This Yahoo group</a> is dedicated to discussion of the Whizbang Plucker and related things.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Jeffries</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter Jeffries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said. A big issue to me is reliability, maintainability and sustainability. To be better those are some, not all, of the qualifications that must be there. New alone is not an improvement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. A big issue to me is reliability, maintainability and sustainability. To be better those are some, not all, of the qualifications that must be there. New alone is not an improvement.</p>
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