Comments on: Christians and WIC http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/09/21/christians-and-wic/ Christian Agrarian Counterculture Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:50:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Michelle http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/09/21/christians-and-wic/#comment-578 Michelle Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:19:00 +0000 http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/09/21/christians-and-wic/#comment-578 Ooooh! We missed the Veggie Tale critique. Now, I am intrigued! Ooooh! We missed the Veggie Tale critique. Now, I am intrigued!

]]> By: reformed farmer http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/09/21/christians-and-wic/#comment-577 reformed farmer Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:37:00 +0000 http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/09/21/christians-and-wic/#comment-577 Hey Rebecca I think we were commenting at the same time,I didn't see yours. Of course, you make a good point. The problem has gone on so long that there is no easy fix. Christians that acted like a redeemed people would be a good start, wouldn't it! Hey Rebecca

I think we were commenting at the same time,I didn’t see yours.

Of course, you make a good point. The problem has gone on so long that there is no easy fix. Christians that acted like a redeemed people would be a good start, wouldn’t it!

]]> By: Scott http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/09/21/christians-and-wic/#comment-576 Scott Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:27:00 +0000 http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/09/21/christians-and-wic/#comment-576 Hello Ladies.....and Matt Church Bulletins would be great, though I fear they would be quite unpopular. Might make my veggie tale critique look tame :) A few additional thoughts. By the church, I don't only refer to the deacons. They do bear a good share of the responcibility, but the church here also means the layperson-members. When we, as individuals, see a need we should step up to the plate and take care of it. It is simply part of being a Christian. Those in need should ask for help. It is the responcibility of the saints to help, your not putting anyone out and you should not be ashamed. It is far to easy to run to big daddy government (dare I say god government) so that we don't have to admit our need to our brothers. The bible clearly explains the proper roles of each God ordained institution. The State is given the task of punishing evil doers. I should point out here that building a house without a permit or draining a wet spot in your pasture is not what the scriptures refer to. Doing Evil would best be defined by breaking Gods Law. The church is given the task of what we now call "Welfare". Taking money or goods from the Gov is stealing from your neighbors. Not being happy with what God has given us and taking it from someone else is also breaking the Tenth Commandment against covetness. The bible defines tyranacle taxation in the book of Samuel. Ten persent is considered outragous! When Christians gladly pay the state, what some claim is on average 65% of their income, yet fail to tithe at least 10% to Creator and Ruler of the universe-something is wrong. We have a crisis in America. We have ignored how the bible tells us to operate.....and have in the process begun to worship the state. Off to the barn I go. I'll have more latter. Hello Ladies…..and Matt

Church Bulletins would be great, though I fear they would be quite unpopular. Might make my veggie tale critique look tame :)
A few additional thoughts.

By the church, I don’t only refer to the deacons. They do bear a good share of the responcibility, but the church here also means the layperson-members. When we, as individuals, see a need we should step up to the plate and take care of it. It is simply part of being a Christian.

Those in need should ask for help. It is the responcibility of the saints to help, your not putting anyone out and you should not be ashamed. It is far to easy to run to big daddy government (dare I say god government) so that we don’t have to admit our need to our brothers.

The bible clearly explains the proper roles of each God ordained institution. The State is given the task of punishing evil doers. I should point out here that building a house without a permit or draining a wet spot in your pasture is not what the scriptures refer to. Doing Evil would best be defined by breaking Gods Law. The church is given the task of what we now call “Welfare”.

Taking money or goods from the Gov is stealing from your neighbors.

Not being happy with what God has given us and taking it from someone else is also breaking the Tenth Commandment against covetness.

The bible defines tyranacle taxation in the book of Samuel. Ten persent is considered outragous! When Christians gladly pay the state, what some claim is on average 65% of their income, yet fail to tithe at least 10% to Creator and Ruler of the universe-something is wrong. We have a crisis in America. We have ignored how the bible tells us to operate…..and have in the process begun to worship the state.

Off to the barn I go. I’ll have more latter.

]]> By: Rebecca http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/09/21/christians-and-wic/#comment-575 Rebecca Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:18:00 +0000 http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/09/21/christians-and-wic/#comment-575 Unfortunately, people are just as willing to misuse the church in this way as they are to misuse the state. Christians and non-christians alike. Unfortunately, people are just as willing to misuse the church in this way as they are to misuse the state. Christians and non-christians alike.

]]> By: mothersong http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/09/21/christians-and-wic/#comment-574 mothersong Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:23:00 +0000 http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/09/21/christians-and-wic/#comment-574 I have to agree with Kimberly here. Food stamps are one thing, but WIC at least provides nutritionally sound food for pregnant women and young children. You can get WIC, if you qualify, until your child is 5. Some of those moms wouldn't or couldn't buy 100% juice, cheese, etc for their children without WIC. Some of them wouldn't realize there was a nutritional difference, or that it mattered, without WIC. I've never been on WIC, but I teach a breastfeeding class to WIC recipients. Some of them clearly are using their money for other things. Many of them are embarrassed to need the help, though. It would be nice if they could get some assistance and mentoring through local families, churches, etc. Once you get in "the system" it seems to be harder to get out. They seem to encourage families to apply for more and more programs and aid. I have to agree with Kimberly here. Food stamps are one thing, but WIC at least provides nutritionally sound food for pregnant women and young children. You can get WIC, if you qualify, until your child is 5. Some of those moms wouldn’t or couldn’t buy 100% juice, cheese, etc for their children without WIC. Some of them wouldn’t realize there was a nutritional difference, or that it mattered, without WIC.

I’ve never been on WIC, but I teach a breastfeeding class to WIC recipients. Some of them clearly are using their money for other things. Many of them are embarrassed to need the help, though. It would be nice if they could get some assistance and mentoring through local families, churches, etc. Once you get in “the system” it seems to be harder to get out. They seem to encourage families to apply for more and more programs and aid.

]]> By: Matt http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/09/21/christians-and-wic/#comment-573 Matt Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:44:00 +0000 http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/09/21/christians-and-wic/#comment-573 Good post Scott. Maybe you should consider putting some of this stuff in church bullentins. Good post Scott. Maybe you should consider putting some of this stuff in church bullentins.

]]> By: KSmilkmaid http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/09/21/christians-and-wic/#comment-572 KSmilkmaid Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:39:00 +0000 http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/09/21/christians-and-wic/#comment-572 Good post, Scott. Unfortunately, churches aren't stepping up. Kimberly: If you lived here we would supply you with all the milk you needed. We have actually looked to help people with milk and eggs, but most get wic and don't want raw milk. They are scared of it. There would be no need for WIC or welfare if we all did our parts biblically, those on the giving and those on the receiving end. Good post, Scott. Unfortunately, churches aren’t stepping up.

Kimberly: If you lived here we would supply you with all the milk you needed. We have actually looked to help people with milk and eggs, but most get wic and don’t want raw milk. They are scared of it.

There would be no need for WIC or welfare if we all did our parts biblically, those on the giving and those on the receiving end.

]]> By: Kimberly http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/09/21/christians-and-wic/#comment-571 Kimberly Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:48:00 +0000 http://www.homesteaderlife.christianagrarian.com/2005/09/21/christians-and-wic/#comment-571 I understand where you are coming from. However, we went through a period where the Lord used WIC to get us through a rough patch. At one point we were actually living with other people who couldn't afford to feed extra people, but this allowed us to help out. There are people who abuse it, but churches these days just aren't stepping up to help those who need it. Now don't get me started on food stamps. While WIC only provides milk, eggs, juice, cheese and peanut butter, you can get anything you want on food stamps...even papa murphy's pizza and Schwans. I think WIC has the better idea nutritionally. We aren't on WIC anymore, but to afford eggs we got chickens. We don't drink milk anymore because we can't afford it. My family of 5 survives on 1/2 gallon of milk a week, and that includes cooking. We drink water, and that's it. We are at poverty level, but get no assistance from the state OR the church. I wish that more christians were willing to step up and help those that needed it. And I do agree that churches should be helping people out, but I haven't seen that happen in a long time. As Americans I have found that we are spoiled. You are right on about people having all the 'extras'. I understand where you are coming from. However, we went through a period where the Lord used WIC to get us through a rough patch. At one point we were actually living with other people who couldn’t afford to feed extra people, but this allowed us to help out. There are people who abuse it, but churches these days just aren’t stepping up to help those who need it. Now don’t get me started on food stamps. While WIC only provides milk, eggs, juice, cheese and peanut butter, you can get anything you want on food stamps…even papa murphy’s pizza and Schwans. I think WIC has the better idea nutritionally. We aren’t on WIC anymore, but to afford eggs we got chickens. We don’t drink milk anymore because we can’t afford it. My family of 5 survives on 1/2 gallon of milk a week, and that includes cooking. We drink water, and that’s it. We are at poverty level, but get no assistance from the state OR the church. I wish that more christians were willing to step up and help those that needed it. And I do agree that churches should be helping people out, but I haven’t seen that happen in a long time.

As Americans I have found that we are spoiled. You are right on about people having all the ‘extras’.

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